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		<title>A long term engagement: Is engagement marketing valuable or is it bunk?</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jim Cain</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I had a good chat this morning with my colleague Larry (Manager, Corporate Training) about a term he has been bumping into in the last few weeks called ‘Social Conversion’. It all seems to stem from a nice blog-post that was written last month by Justin Talerico, CEO of ion Interactive, about the importance of [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a good chat this morning with my colleague Larry (Manager, Corporate Training) about a term he has been bumping into in the last few weeks called ‘Social Conversion’.<span> </span>It all seems to stem from <a title="Why ‘Social Conversion’ Is A Term You Should Know" href="http://blogs.mediapost.com/omd_commentary/?p=786" target="_blank">a nice blog-post</a> that was written last month by Justin Talerico, CEO of <a title="ion interactive" href="http://www.ioninteractive.com" target="_blank">ion Interactive</a>, about the importance of monitoring, understanding and optimizing the micro-conversions associated to social media marketing.<span> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Loved the blog, agreed with the concepts, but not sure we need to coin any new terms.<span> </span>Social Conversion is just another way of saying conversion.<span> </span>According to the<a title="Standards Committee Homepage" href="http://www.webanalyticsassociation.org/en/cmt/?5" target="_blank"> WAA Standards Committee</a>, Conversion is “The number of times a desired outcome was accomplished.”<span> </span>So let’s try and really nail down the basic definitions before we throw them out the window and come up with new ones.<span> </span>(Still, it’s a great piece, specifically the landing page and whitepaper examples)</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Wondering what my intro has to do with the title yet?<span> </span>Here we go.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Just as the term ‘social conversion’ has been doing the rounds in the last few weeks regarding its relevance and veracity (or truthiness), the concept of engagement in digital marketing has done the rounds for almost two years, and has been the subject of heated debate and scrutiny.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The ongoing dialog (or should I say blogalog?<span> </span>Yet another new term) has revolved around two primary questions:<span> </span></p>
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<li><strong>Is engagement an important concept?</strong></li>
<li><strong>If it is important, how can it be quantified.</strong></li>
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<p class="MsoNormal">To learn more about the topic, <a title="Future Now on Engagement" href="http://www.grokdotcom.com/2007/11/14/visitor-engagement/" target="_blank">here</a> <a title="Occam's Razor on Engagement" href="http://www.kaushik.net/avinash/2008/01/measuring-online-engagement-what-role-does-web-analytics-play.html" target="_blank">are</a> <a title="Jim Novo on Engagement" href="http://blog.jimnovo.com/2008/07/16/friction-model/" target="_blank">a</a> <a title="Web Analytics Demystified on Engagement" href="http://blog.webanalyticsdemystified.com/weblog/category/engagement" target="_blank">number</a> <a title="Stephane Hamel on Engagement" href="http://blog.immeria.net/2007_03_01_immeria_archive.html" target="_blank">of great</a> <a title="Gary Angel on Engagement" href="http://semphonic.blogs.com/semangel/2008/05/engagement-in-w.html" target="_blank">posts on</a> <a title="eConsultancy on Engagement" href="http://www.e-consultancy.com/news-blog/361952/web-2-0-what-are-the-metrics-for-successful-engagement.html" target="_blank">the subject</a>.<span> </span>I specifically recommend checking out the recent flamewar between <a title="Visitor Engagement, Time for a Reality Check" href="http://blogs.omniture.com/2008/07/14/visitor-engagement-time-for-a-reality-check/" target="_blank">Omniture</a> and <a title="Visitor Engagement is just a fad!" href="http://blog.webanalyticsdemystified.com/weblog/2008/07/omniture-visitor-engagement-is-just-a-fad.html" target="_blank">Eric Peterson</a>, both industry heavyweights with very differing opinions.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I myself <a title="Personas and Segments and Engagement oh my..." href="http://blog.sitebrand.com/2008/02/27/personas-and-segments-and-engagement-oh-my%E2%80%A6/" target="_blank">blogged on the issue</a> back in February, and my take is that being able to understand and manage visitor engagement to/from/within a given web property is the first major step towards ‘analytics 2.0’.<span> </span>Standardizing what metrics are used however is much more difficult.<span> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If you work with a company like ion Interactive, engagement will have a strong landing page/social media focus.<span> </span>If you are a multi-channel marketer, engagement might have strong online/offline ties.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Having helped some of Sitebrand’s customers directly identify engagement related KPI’s in their business for the purposes of Optimization, I know it works.<span> </span><span> </span>As for the ‘philosopher’s stone’ of engagement equations that work for every site, the jury is out.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In a fairly new industry like internet marketing, new terms will be coined at the speed of….internet.<span> </span>But some terms stick and have a profound impact on our discipline.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><em><strong><span style="underline;">Engagement is one of these important terms</span></strong>.</em><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Do some homework and form an opinion.<span> </span>If you think it’s bunk so be it.<span> </span>But if you think engagement monitoring and management could be a core aspect of your job in the coming years, start applying some of the concepts now so you don’t miss the boat.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Cheers,</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Jim</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="-0.5in;">PS.<span> </span>Larry heard I was referencing him in the blog today and wanted to make sure all our customers knew that he is available for all training requests/questions at training AT Sitebrand.com.<span> </span><a title="Sitebrand Best Practices Consulting" href="http://www.sitebrand.com/services/best-practices.php" target="_blank">Go team go</a>!</p>
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		<title>Small starts equal (visible and long term) big results</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 18:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jim Cain</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[For our customers, working with Sitebrand is pretty exciting.  Frankly, any site specific optimization initiative is exciting, because most marketers have historically been blocked out of the website by technical/political barriers, and optimization allows them much greater control over their conversion rates and sales.  Because of this excitement (and the associated results) there has been [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For our customers, working with <a title="Sitebrand Home Page" href="http://www.sitebrand.com" target="_blank">Sitebrand</a> is pretty exciting.  Frankly, any site specific optimization initiative is exciting, because most marketers have historically been blocked out of the website by technical/political barriers, and optimization allows them much greater control over their conversion rates and sales.  Because of this excitement (and the associated results) there has been rapid growth in visibility and adoption of optimization as an online marketing practice.</p>
<p><a href="http://blog.sitebrand.com/2008/06/20/a-few-points-on-online-optimization/" target="_blank">In my last post</a> I referenced a few points on Online Optimization, specifically goal setting and the difference between optimizing the look of the store and the dialog with the visitor.</p>
<p>Because of discussions I have had about this particular post, I thought I would add another ‘best practice’ point that is critical to the longterm success of any optimization initiative.</p>
<p><strong><a title="Phrase Definition" href="http://www.bobcongdon.net/blog/2004/06/boil-ocean.html" target="_blank">Don’t boil the ocean</a>.</strong></p>
<p>While this is a straightforward and somewhat obvious statement, it can get lost in the initial excitement of optimization. (Note: if you work in eMarketing and don’t think site optimization is exciting, you will soon)</p>
<p>Per point one in my last post, you need a defined goal to start an optimization initiative.  Alongside that goal, you need to start with a tightly defined plan to achieve that goal.  So for example if you want to minimize the bounce rate of California visitors on your homepage, you can run a targeted piece of content to 50% of your Cali. Visitors for a one month period, and compare the two bounce rates.</p>
<p>Will an entire California page work better?  Maybe, even probably, but how can you really prove which message on the page had the most impact?  This will be important when you are showing your results to the top of the org chart and asking for additional optimization budget.</p>
<p>Shane Atchison of <a title="ZAAZ corporate site" href="http://www.zaaz.com/" target="_blank">ZAAZ</a> speaks directly to this concept in his great “Web Analytics intervention” series on ClickZ.  Look at Point 5 in part 2 of the series. (<a title="A Web Analytics Intervention, part 2" href="http://http://www.clickz.com/showPage.html?page=3629315" target="_blank">Click here </a>for column)</p>
<p>Lily Chiu at Omniture speaks to this issue as well <a title="Omniture Blog" href="http://blogs.omniture.com/2008/07/03/the-art-and-zen-of-testing-for-success/" target="_blank">in a recent post</a>.  As a real estate optimization vendor, Omniture knows the importance of transparent results and encourages starting with small changes that show clear impact, like changing a green button to a red one.</p>
<p>As a vendor that optimizes dialog with a targeted visitor segment, Sitebrand makes similar recommendations.  If you say fifty different targeted messages to fifty different segments, some of which overlap mid-session, how will you know which ones work well?  Moreoever, how will you know which ones work well together?</p>
<p>The purpose of starting small in the initial short term is not to minimize your results, it is to provide the required clarity in a murky web metrics world to ensure that you can grow your optimization plans in the long term.  The upside is that your initial requirements are smaller, and your long term payoff is larger.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Jim</p>
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		<title>Online marketing Suites, Standardization, and Irony 2.0</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:48:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jim Cain</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The traditional website is becoming de-centralized, as most traditional websites are fragmenting into hundreds of micro-footprints through blogs, social networks, newsgroups and multiple wholly owned properties.  
At the same time, the market at large is calling for online marketing management software to become centralized (see Forrester), so that more cohesive campaigns can be built, and [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="MsoNormal" style="0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="Arial;"><span style="small;">The traditional website is becoming de-centralized, as most traditional websites are fragmenting into hundreds of micro-footprints through blogs, social networks, newsgroups and multiple wholly owned properties.<span style="yes;">  </span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="Arial;"><span style="small;">At the same time, the market at large is calling for online marketing management software to become centralized (<a title="Defining the Online Marketing Suite" href="http://www.omniture.com/offer/158" target="_blank">see Forrester</a>), so that more cohesive campaigns can be built, and disparate datasets can be merged together for better visibility.</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="Arial;"><span style="small;"> </span></span><span style="Arial;"><span style="small;">To quote a great Ottawa personality:<a title="Wikipedia - Alanis Morrisette" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alanis_Morissette" target="_blank"> Isn’t it ironic</a>.</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="Arial;"><span style="small;"> </span></span><span style="Arial;"><span style="small;">I think the answer to this ironic situation is in another quote (and source of online flame wars) &#8211; <a title="Google Search Results for " href="http://www.google.ca/search?q=%22web+analytics+is+hard%22&amp;ie=utf-8&amp;oe=utf-8&amp;aq=t&amp;rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&amp;client=firefox-a" target="_blank">“Web analytics is hard”.</a></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="Arial;"><span style="small;"> </span></span><span style="Arial;"><span style="small;">While it is definitely a legitimate hot-button and market requirement, a centralized online marketing suite is not a silver bullet.<span style="yes;">  </span>There is no doubt that it is impossible to make decisions about current successes and future plans if you have fifteen sets of reports from fifteen disparate tools.<span style="yes;">  </span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="Arial;"><span style="small;"> </span></span><span style="Arial;"><span style="small;">We deal with this on a day to day basis at <a title="Sitebrand Home Page" href="http://www.sitebrand.com" target="_blank">Sitebrand</a>.<span style="yes;">  </span>If a customer uses us to personalize messages to a visitor from a particular affiliate with the goal of growing conversions, they now have three reports from three vendors, none of which connect, and all of which have different numbers.<span style="yes;">  </span>Yikes.</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="Arial;"><span style="small;"> </span></span><span style="Arial;"><span style="small;">Given the aggressive adoption (and evangelization) of 2.0 technologies and marketing methods however, no online marketing suite will ever be able to solve problems out of the box.</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="Arial;"><span style="small;"> </span></span><span style="Arial;"><span style="small;">In five years from now, it might be effective to push a viral video out through RSS specifically to mobile browsers, with the hope that they click through the video to a Facebook widget created to have friends push coupons to your products to each other, which can be used online or in store.</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="Arial;"><span style="small;"> </span></span><span style="Arial;"><span style="small;">And I can promise you, even in five years there won’t be enough Red Bulls and developers in the world to build transparent reporting around that initiative.</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="Arial;"><span style="small;"> </span></span><span style="Arial;"><span style="small;">All that is going to happen is that the leading thinkers in the space are going to say “Online Marketing Suites are hard”.<span style="yes;">  </span>And they will be right.</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="Arial;"><span style="small;"> </span></span><span style="Arial;"><span style="small;">Build a plan, work the plan, show the plan worked.<span style="yes;">  </span>We are still struggling with it as we come to the end of Commerce 1.0, and we will keep struggling with it until we standardize on ‘what should be done’.</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="Arial;"><span style="small;"> </span></span><span style="Arial;"><span style="small;">Perhaps this is a job<span style="yes;">  </span>for the <a title="WAA Standards Committee" href="http://www.webanalyticsassociation.org/en/cmt/?5" target="_blank">WAA standards committee</a>. <span style="yes;"> </span>They are doing a great job in standardizing the common terms in analytics so that the industry stays on the same page. </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="Arial;"><span style="small;">An interesting next step for them might include a practical document standardizing what a team of web practitioners should be doing for procedures, tools usage, documentation etc. <span style="yes;"> </span>Better yet, including a scoring system so that readers could self-evaluate. Think <a title="Gartner Homepage" href="http://www.gartner.com/" target="_blank">Gartner</a> <a title="Stephane Hamel on Gartner Analytics Maturity Model" href="http://blog.immeria.net/2008/05/analytics-tools-like-strawberries-and.html" target="_blank">maturity model</a>, but for eCommerce.<span style="yes;">  </span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="Arial;"><span style="small;"> </span></span><span style="Arial;"><span style="small;">The moral of the story is that there is no piece of software, in present or future, <span style="yes;"> </span>that will help execute on a plan when no plan has been built.<span style="yes;">  </span>I think if more web teams knew where they ranked based on holistic best practices, they could take some of the ‘hard’ out of web 1.0, and be prepared to reap more value than hype from the next generation of technologies and practices.</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="Arial;"><span style="small;"> </span></span><span style="Arial;"><span style="small;">Cheers,</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="Arial;"><span style="small;"> </span></span><span style="Arial;"><span style="small;">Jim</span></span></p>
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